IRC log of fenfire on 2005-04-06

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topic is: http://fenfire.org - the channel may or may not be logged

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Users on #fenfire: fflogbot rubberpaw vegai ibid jvk benja_ mudyc majukati humppake tuukkah antont

07:18:17 [benja_]

listening to ibid's lecture on formal methods

07:18:23 [benja_]

in the software engineering course

07:19:19 [benja_]

[auditorio 3]

07:28:56 [tuukkah]

benja_, do you understand everything ?-)

07:29:37 [tuukkah]

I can use this as a rehearsal before the course final exam

07:30:52 [benja_]

tuukkah, I understand almost nothing =)

07:31:11 [tuukkah]

oh :-(

07:31:23 [tuukkah]

"formaali" is formal and "menetelmä" is method =)

07:31:50 [tuukkah]

"ohjelmoinnin" is programming's and "matematiikka" is mathematics

07:31:55 [benja_]

:)

07:32:21 [tuukkah]

"joukko" is set and "oppi" is study or theory

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07:39:11 [tuukkah]

benja_, so we should apply those effects to fenfire

07:39:44 [benja_]

yes yes, it's fine, it's fine

07:41:07 [tuukkah]

what' fine? we're leaving behind in eye candy development! do we have any physical models at all? !-)

07:45:48 [tuukkah]

now you missed "berliinin muuri"

07:47:10 [benja_]

I should go soon, Matti is coming at 11

07:47:30 [benja_]

* benja_ is working on software engeneering, even if not listening =-)

07:47:43 [benja_]

well, s/working on/learning about/

07:47:46 [benja_]

UML, really

07:47:50 [tuukkah]

heh :-)

07:48:02 [tuukkah]

what are you going to do with Matti?

07:48:02 [benja_]

filling in some small things I don't know yet

07:48:11 [benja_]

tuukkah: porting canvas vie

07:48:12 [benja_]

w

07:48:25 [tuukkah]

I could come and spectate you

07:48:32 [benja_]

ok, please do =)

08:03:03 [benja_]

should go, I guess

08:10:42 [benja_]

majukati: we are in the fireplace room

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09:57:29 [majukati]

hi

10:03:34 [benja_]

hi

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hippaladuida

11:03:04 [tuukkah]

argh

11:03:26 [tuukkah]

I wanted to add reconnect support

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always forget to escape the # in shell :-)

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11:30:58 [tuukkah]

ok, I hope it reconnects automatically from now on

11:31:25 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, rename fields in Box and javadoc some of them in the hope to make the code more comprehensible

11:31:50 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, remove unused variable

11:32:15 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, refactor: remove (float x, float y) parameters from Lob.render -- the parent can create a translated coordsys to specify the x/y

11:32:40 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, new primitive lob to tile another lob; use to show stipple in window (dialog box) titles

11:33:08 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Theme improvements

11:33:34 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, good riddance

11:33:59 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, steps towards a slightly new interpolation system, where cs without keys are shown during interpolation

11:34:23 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add scaling lob

11:34:47 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, treat height<0 as height==0 in ScalableFont

11:35:13 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, mostly fix new interpolation system; w and h aren't interpolated yet

11:35:38 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, finish the new interpolation system

11:35:45 [tuukkah]

now there will be a lot

11:36:02 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more fixes for new interpolation system

11:36:27 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make StringTextModel not use a key by default (this means that text with no specified key will be 'shown during interpolation' and not matched against anything in the other vobscene)

11:36:51 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more consistency in the keying of themed components: handle Window and ThemeFrame like the other components; if no key is specified, do not put the component's cs into the vobmatcher (make it 'shown during interpolation' and not matched against anything in the target scene)

11:37:15 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make use of new interpolation system for clipping (do not put clipping cs in matcher if no explicit key is specified)

11:37:40 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Make LobFont size specifiable by size in pixels instead of points, since the same point size can produce quite different text sizes with different fonts and AWT implementations; make most places not declare their own LobFonts, instead using the ones from Theme

11:38:04 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, work around a bug in Classpath AWT (apparently), where mouse events get button '0' instead of 1

11:38:29 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, twiddle with clip interpolation

11:38:53 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix stupid scrolling bug

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libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, little fix

11:39:41 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, speed fix

11:40:07 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, CollectionModel.containsModel(m) creates a boolean model that says whether m is in the collection

11:40:32 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, speed fix again...

11:40:56 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, revamp FunctionModel

11:41:21 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make interruptEventloop(), called by addTask(), actually interrupt the waiting for events on AWT so that background tasks can get processed

11:41:46 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, create SequenceModel.Concat and TextModel.Concat, for creating bigger texts out of smaller ones

11:42:10 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, support for textual lists, for fenfeed (to show different dc:subjects etc)

11:42:34 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Refactor: start work on easier convention for lob constructors

11:43:00 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use a setter-based approach rather than a keyword-based approach for component parameter setting

11:43:23 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add c++-generated files to darcs to make compiling easier (i.e., make possible to compile java w/o compiling c++)

11:43:48 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more refactoring for fenfeed

11:43:56 [ibid]

huu

11:44:13 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix for ArrayOutOfBounds occuring sometimes when a cs is last in chain

11:44:41 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, README fixes; bug spotter: ibid

11:45:07 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Simplify how CLASSPATH is set; remove collections-kaffe which we don't depend on any longer (it was a copy of Kaffe's collections implementation to allow us to run on 1.1 Javas)

11:45:29 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, scrollbar fixes

11:45:54 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, hacked in ViewportLob.getVisibleFraction for scrollbar knob size

11:46:17 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, implemented scrollbar knob sizing as knobFractionModel

11:46:41 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, made the ListBox in default theme use scrollbar knob sizing

11:47:06 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Small twids to Tuukka's patch

11:47:30 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Fix my bad (and a little Tuukka's ;-)); make TextComponents use Tuukka's knob size code

11:47:55 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, small fix -- the min size of the knob should show it as rectangular

11:48:22 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, on window close, LobBinder calls System.exit(0)

11:48:44 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, Scrollbar cleanup

11:49:08 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, reordered helper functions

11:49:31 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, limited knobsize below 1, documented parameter models

11:49:55 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, scrollbar knob position follows scrolling, not selection

11:50:19 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, implemented Benja's setMinKnobSize

11:50:42 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, changed knob default min size to 10, constant size to 15

11:51:04 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, implemented WatcherLobs for size, put in use in text scrolling

11:51:26 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Fix missing brackets in Makefile

11:51:50 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fixes to Stamp

11:52:13 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, work towards new view system

11:52:35 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more work towards new view system with changeable views

11:52:59 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Fix OpenGL interpolation bug found in fentwine (was loom)

11:53:24 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Fix Vect.neg and copy awt buoyOnCircle from C++ src.

11:53:48 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add demo to test buoy cs.

11:54:12 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Implement between and translate polar coords.

11:54:34 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add between demo

11:54:57 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, AWT implementation of unitSq; VobCoorder.center() gives a cs at the center of the unit square; bug fixes

11:55:21 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Get rid of viewState -- serves no functionnow

11:55:43 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Start framework for fading colors into the background in AWT (i.e., GL's fog). For now, did the simplest thing that could possibly work -- have only one global fog setting for a whole VobScene -- because doing it 'right' would have been so much harder right now.

11:56:04 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add buoyOnCircle2 to VobCoorder

11:56:27 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, general implementation of inverse transformation in AWTVobCoorder(Base)

11:56:49 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fixes to depth fading

11:57:11 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fixes to AWT impl of buoy-on-circle-cs

11:57:33 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, buoy cs speed improvements (do not create objects all the time!)

11:57:55 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, squash more speed bugs

11:58:17 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, work towards new architecture inside AWTVobCoorder, where for each interpolation frame we generate the coordinates for each cs only once, rather than re-generating it again and again for each child of the cs. not yet used, this is an intermediary commit

11:58:38 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more work on new awtvobcoorder code -- the speed has increased but there are very funny-looking bugs ;-)

11:59:01 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make the new awtvobcoorder code work, though not entirely beautifully and still with room for more optimization ;-) (it's already a lot better, though)

11:59:22 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix bugs in the new awtvobcoorder code

11:59:45 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add parseFloat model to Models

12:00:08 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Fix interpolating on keystroke if already animating.

12:00:30 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, when a cs is SHOW_IN_INTERP, but one of its ancestors is DONT_INTERP, do not show the cs when interpolating

12:00:52 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, clean up a little

12:01:14 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix interpolation bug

12:01:35 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix

12:01:57 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, compare the parents' scale and use the smaller one in between cs

12:02:17 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make buoyOnCircle2 use the new AWTVobCoorder code too (i.e. the Coordinates system) instead of some strange hybrid with doTransformRect

12:02:39 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, get rid of the old transformRect stuff in AWTVobCoorderBase

12:03:00 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, increase Trans.cs stack size

12:03:21 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make ViewportLob more powerful by allowing to set an alignment for the content inside the visible area if the latter is bigger than the former

12:03:41 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, when dragging, pass along the position of the original click in mouse(); use that to determine which lob to dispatch the event to

12:04:02 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix for bug found by matti

12:04:24 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Make the recursive vs tests pass again, except for one which fails exactly the same way when programmed without any recursive vs stuff (hmmm...). Wasn't trivial, but not really hard either =)

12:04:47 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, speed fix; text was rendered character-by-character if the characters were SHOW_IN_INTERP

12:05:07 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, various fixes: hw<->sxsw, concatInverse, TranslationLob and RectBg

12:05:29 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Fix concat inverse

12:05:50 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, in TranslationLob and PanZoomLob, do not change the VobScene if it has been clear()ed since the last Lob.render() call.

12:06:11 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, better list of dependencies

12:06:34 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, invalidate AWTVobCoorder's coordinates cache when the parameters of a coordinate system are changed

12:06:55 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, if Lob.mouse() sets RERENDER, don't change that to ANIMATE in LobMain.mouse()

12:07:15 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, some dbg printouts

12:07:36 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix interpolation

12:07:56 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix w/h interpolation when SHOW_IN_INTERP is used

12:08:16 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, twids for make text editing in Fenfire work using lobs

12:08:37 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Add Difference set model which gives the set difference A\B for collections A, B.

12:08:58 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, allow PanZoomLob to be used in a way that only cares about floats, not Models

12:09:17 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, small fixes

12:09:38 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add 'not()' model (i.e., a model that negates a bool model)

12:09:59 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, set model additions

12:10:19 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make the boxes in a CheckBox not grow when the CheckBox is stretched :-)

12:10:41 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, in ModelLob, do delegate.addObs(this)

12:11:02 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, a variation of VisibilityLob which changes the size request to zero when the content isn't visible

12:11:23 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make Models.parseFloat() more robust: when the string is null or "", return zero

12:11:44 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, twids

12:12:07 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use correct height when using AWT lob text rendering

12:12:28 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, remember the last size in ModelLob; when the delegate changes, do newDelegate.setSize()

12:12:49 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Stamp fixes

12:13:09 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, handle Alt-Up / Alt-Down when no text cursor is set

12:13:28 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add safeguard

12:13:48 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, speed fix, small but does a lot. profiling good ;-)

12:14:09 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, small speed fix: don't "render" text outside the clip rectangle (i.e., don't call Graphics.drawChars(...) for them)

12:14:29 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, speed fix: LobFont character lobs are immutable and shared between many parents, they're not supposed to register their parents as Obs...

12:14:50 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, small speed fix: depth sort only after the coorder has changed

12:15:11 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add a simple scheduler for a key and priority.

12:15:30 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, remove original impl of lob ideas (not the current implementation, the on in lava/)

12:15:49 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, start work on interfaces for the new lob system

12:16:08 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, More work on new lob system: TableLob, the first and second-most-interesting lob

12:16:26 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Javolution caching -- as far as I understand it so far :-)

12:16:45 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, ARGH, make compile

12:17:03 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, tool for resolving qnames to URIs with the namespaces specified in Java code

12:17:21 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, start work on linebreaker -- the actual linebreaking code isn't there yet

12:17:40 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, move vobs.lava to basalt/ -- there are similar files in vobs/ and the vobs.lava/ versions are unused apparently

12:17:58 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add VobLob in new vob system -- and first demo showing anything on the screen :-)

12:18:15 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, try out table lob (needed only very small fix, but vob allocation with Javolution needs work)

12:18:33 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, until Javolution allocation of vobs is fixed, make Lobs.java create new vobs

12:18:52 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix Javolution caching for vobs: use Javolution reference counter

12:19:10 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, start porting lobs

12:19:28 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more porting work, mostly LobFont, i.e. text rendering

12:19:45 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add missing piece to render non-linebroken text; add Hello World to lobdemo :)

12:20:03 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, static methods in Lobs to construct common lobs

12:20:19 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, get rid of the Lob/Layout separation -- it made coding more difficult, as many lobs are wrappers that work the same before and after layouting

12:20:36 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, and now the most interesting lob ... except that it isn't a lob yet but only a function that will be used in creating the lob: Linebreaker

12:20:54 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix

12:21:10 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, don't remove generated java files in 'make clean', they're in the repository

12:21:27 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix linebreaking in new lob system (respect preBreakLob/postBreakLob)

12:21:44 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add Lob.getInterface(Class), which goes through the hierarchy of wrapper lobs, looking for one that implements the given interface (see javadoc).

12:22:01 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, text editing keys in lobdemo

12:22:16 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more text editing and more lobs

12:22:33 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, little test for interpolation: whenever pressing a key, move a line (should animate)

12:22:49 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, in lobdemo.Scene.scene(), return the VobScene object we created

12:23:05 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, ok, make animate

12:23:21 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, simplistic text cursor in lobdemo; comment out debug aid that animated a line on each key press

12:23:37 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, simpler and nicer implementation of text cursor, using the box size

12:23:54 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, argl, revert accidental delete

12:24:10 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Good architecture for text cursor lob.

12:24:25 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, s/Lob.getInterface/Lob.getImplementation/

12:24:41 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, move text edit key handling to Java

12:24:55 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make linebreaker use layoutOneAxis as intended (see Lob.layoutOneAxis javadoc)

12:25:10 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, implement Tray; refactor demo to create only one lob and render that full screen

12:25:24 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, java-ize demo -- gives huge performance boost, python was called in some inner loop =)

12:25:39 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, In TextKeyController, use WindowAnimation for right animation behavior.

12:25:54 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more work on new lobs -- a listBox component, default parameters for components, etc.

12:26:09 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, A code preprocessor to make Javolution programming a bit easier.

12:26:23 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, doc

12:26:37 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use preprocessor a bit -- it does make the code much simpler...

12:26:51 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, mouse events going through (can now select item in listbox with mouse)

12:27:05 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use java.util.List instead of the LobList interface

12:27:18 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, simplify code

12:27:31 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make Notebook demo use new lob system (not entirely complete yet)

12:27:43 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Make event handling code less error-prone

12:27:56 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Add primitive focus handling; add abstract implementation of sequence lobs

12:28:08 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Better state handling

12:28:20 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, fixed rendering message display code

12:28:32 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, added a "splash screen" while first scene is rendering

12:28:44 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add Lobs.add() to add a lob to a sequence (hbox, vbox, linebreaker)

12:28:56 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Add rudimentary menus.

12:29:08 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, remove obsolete documentation about font scaling factor

12:29:19 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, better menus (though two menus can still be open at the same time)

12:29:30 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, move old lob system to basalt/

12:29:40 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, twids

12:29:51 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, don't barf on round-off error

12:30:02 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Fix old functionality of vob scene, i.e., getCSAt with awt.

12:30:14 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add bosszz to show how hard it is to build with vobs.

12:30:24 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Add features to the .rj preprocessor

12:30:34 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Make the code in the Notebook demo stylistically better

12:30:45 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, experiment with ways to simplify lob coding

12:30:55 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, lobs-based boss puzzle impl

12:31:05 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, various fixes

12:31:14 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, refactor puzzle demo

12:31:24 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, oops, forgot to add

12:31:33 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, improve puzzle demo code

12:31:43 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, move defaultFont and stuff depending on it to Component, as it embodies policy

12:31:51 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Don't religiously avoid creating String objects in the puzzle demo.

12:32:01 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, argl, didn't remove CLASSES when removing Glue.java -> didn't spot these

12:32:09 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make PuzzleBoard an ordinary class -- no need to use Javolution and the preprocessor

12:32:20 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add simple lob example - boss buzzle.

12:32:29 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, BossBuzzle twids

12:32:38 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, various linebreaking/javolution-related fixes

12:32:46 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, very crude fix for focus handling in Fenfire.rj

12:32:55 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add viewport lob that scrolls its content to show the cs with a given key in the middle

12:33:04 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix text rendering (don't render individual characters with AWT)

12:33:12 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use viewport for listbox (it doesn't handle mouse right :-( )

12:33:20 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make sure the lobs at the end of a line have the correct key (for showing the text cursor, scrolling)

12:33:28 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, a simple image lob, needs work

12:37:05 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more refactoring for fenfeed

12:37:19 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Sort the feeds (unicode-lexicographically)

12:37:32 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, work towards new view system

12:37:45 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more work towards new view system with changeable views

12:37:59 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use the STORY class for ALL_STORIES

12:38:13 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Different cursor model -- cursor states are object implementing an interface with a getNode function, but can store additional view-specific information

12:38:25 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Move FentwineVobMatcher to Fenfire, rename to ConnectionVobMatcher

12:38:38 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, start new view architecture, using structureview/spatialview separation

12:38:51 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make the spatial context's cs have a key (needed for interpolation at least for now)

12:39:03 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, cache the lobs created by SimpleSpatialView

12:39:06 [ibid]

majukati: i could've helped you with korppi

12:39:16 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, print out less

12:39:29 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, don't create iterator objects for every node in view building

12:39:42 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, start work on canvas view as a spatial context view

12:39:54 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, twid

12:40:06 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, simplify ConnectionVobMatcher by removing unused stuff

12:40:19 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, interpolate spatial contexts: they need to have the same key [makes sense ;-)]

12:40:32 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, lookup functions necessary for showing buoys to non-focused nodes in spatial contexts

12:40:45 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use helper lobs creating the vob matcher structure for spatial contexts; share the helper lobs between the spatial views

12:40:59 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make spatial views specify whether their mainviews should be shown big

12:41:11 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add RDFS.java (thx Tuukka)

12:41:24 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add CanvasCursor to Cursor

12:41:36 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Use real canvas :)

12:41:48 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Twids to SpatialView interface

12:42:00 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use a standard Frame lob instead of a special UniqueColorLob (which used RectBgLob, ugh [because RectBgLob does many things together rather than a single orthogonal thing])

12:42:12 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, handle non-canvascursors correctly

12:42:25 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Move CanvasCursor out of org.fenfire.Cursor; add adapter model that gives the panX or panY or zoom, given a Model containing a (Canvas or non-Canvas)Cursor.

12:42:37 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, cache only the canvas content, not the translation lob &c, as mudyc suggested on the list

12:42:49 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, actually use WindowAnimation in CanvasSpatialView

12:43:01 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Make CanvasSpatialView use cursors properly (using the central Cursor model)

12:43:13 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, change getLob() to getMainviewLob() and getBuoyLob() as proposed on list (though the proposed names were getMainLob() and getNodeLob()...)

12:43:25 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make clicking on a node focus it

12:43:37 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Start Dublin Core vocabulary

12:43:49 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add simple spatial calendar view

12:44:01 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, new cursor system, essentially as discussed on ff-dev

12:44:13 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make calendar view work somewhat

12:44:25 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, try to also allow sending messages for private/ (only the commit message, no diff)

12:44:37 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, twid

12:44:48 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, argl

12:45:00 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add old gzz.potion code

12:45:11 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, bring potions forward to 2005 ;-)

12:45:22 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, get rid of separation between Expressions and Calls

12:45:33 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make potions somewhat useful

12:45:45 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Add a way to evaluate expressions when the user presses the key, before the command is complete

12:45:56 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, When creating a new cell, move the cursor onto it.

12:46:07 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, correct panning in canvas buoys

12:46:18 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, generalize ViewSettings to be used for both spatial and content views

12:46:30 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix: cannot create new Type objects all the time if we don't implement equals() and hashCode()

12:46:39 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, better content view

12:46:50 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add irc bot to notice changes in darcs repos

12:47:00 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Twid

12:47:10 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Small twids to darcsbot

12:47:20 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make text editing work

12:47:29 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add a SetModel giving all properties in the graph

12:47:40 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, don't use TextCursor, TextEditController or ViewportLob in property lobs

12:47:50 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Radically simplify cursor architecture.

12:48:00 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, oops, discard spatial cursor when moving through the structure

12:48:10 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, change the panzoomlob manually in the dragcontrollers -- needs ugly caching of the mainview during dragging so that we don't create new DragControllers whose isDragging is set to false...

12:48:19 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, document mainview cache, based on what I said on IRC...

12:48:29 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, factor SimpleContentView.ContentModel out, call it org.fenfire.lob.NodeTextModel, doc it

12:48:39 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, when making a new connection, set the rotation to it

12:48:49 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Allow the user to move on / edit literals.

12:48:58 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use unique colors for property text (not very successful yet)

12:49:07 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Back to old Loom/Fentwine color scheme. Nice, I feel at home ;-)

12:49:18 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make Fenfire load RDF/XML when called like 'make run FILE='--xml foaf.rdf'

12:49:26 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, don't delete cached files when the server says you can use them :-o

12:49:36 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, don't barf when more than one literal exists on a given text property

12:49:46 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Add system for batching a whole update to a graph and triggering all obses together.

12:49:55 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, text-scroll only the focused node, not all others whose content is bigger than the box, too :)

12:50:05 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add rdfs:seeAlso

12:50:14 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Fixes to literal editing

12:50:23 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, work on text editing

12:50:32 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, limit node size growth along Y axis -- allow mainviews to be higher than buoys

12:50:42 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, New smushing architecture -- the UI code needs to know about smushing

12:50:52 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, test and fix HashGraph.rm_1111

12:51:00 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, test and fix a bug in StdObserver

12:51:10 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make NamespaceMap observable and make NodeTextModel observe it, so that you can change the namespace mapping and have the views reflect it

12:51:18 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, argl, add SmushListener

12:51:27 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, for the purpose of smushing, convert foaf:mbox to foaf:mbox_sha1sum and use that, so that smushing works between two FOAF files one of which uses mbox and one of which uses mbox_sha1sum

12:51:35 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more speed fixing

12:51:43 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, adjust to changed behavior of SmushedQuadsGraph

12:51:53 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, test & fix

12:52:03 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, twid

12:52:11 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, simplify mbox/sha1sum implementation; doesn't change the bug

12:52:20 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, SmushedQuadsGraph tests, fixes -- sigh

12:52:29 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, show test names correctly in test.py

12:52:37 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make calendar view use real days, computed in the proper Java way (I think =))

12:52:46 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, have CalendarCursor only store a single date (i.e., the focused one)

12:52:55 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make calendarview days clickable

12:53:03 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, potions 'goto' command (for moving the cursor to a given node)

12:53:11 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Change how spatial mainviews work: the lob they return is rendered full-screen.

12:53:19 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Full screen wasn't such a good idea, but *almost* full screen canvas looks quite good. :-)

12:53:27 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, cache calendar view (was very slow)

12:53:36 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, hackery to improve calendar view look

12:53:43 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add hasLink() to complement getLink() which can throw NoSuchElementException

12:53:52 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add very simple image view.

12:54:00 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Fix line delay for irc bot.

12:54:03 [rubberpaw]

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12:54:08 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add javolution to classpath

12:54:16 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, catch exception is lastRead time is not in cache

12:54:24 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, added makefile target clean

12:54:32 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, removed two non-ops, compiles on kaffe java compiler

12:54:40 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, update to Gnowsis 0.8.1

12:54:48 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Separate content view into text and image (and in page) views.

12:54:56 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, add property view

12:55:03 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, add foaf vocab

12:55:10 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add copyright statement to send_darcs_diffs.py

12:55:18 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, the project is called Fenfire, not metacode/

12:55:25 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, remove SimpleContentView

12:55:32 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, cleaned up NodeTextModel

12:55:41 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, literal datatypes and languages, and preferred language

12:55:48 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, write namespaces to turtle files

12:55:55 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, use Pair.java from storm instead of a copy

12:56:02 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, use URN5Namespace from storm instead of a copy

12:56:10 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, write turtle files using the defined namespaces

12:56:17 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, accept application/x-turtle as our web site sends that

12:56:25 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, partial port to new lob system (unported parts are commented out or moved to basalt/ for now)

12:56:32 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, twids

12:56:39 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, rudimentary viewing of literals

12:56:46 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, add project to projects in send_darc_diffs.py

12:56:54 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, move defaultFont and stuff depending on it to Component, as it embodies policy

12:57:00 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix SimpleSpatialView clipping

12:57:07 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, make colors for properties work again

12:57:13 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, oops, parameter namespaces can be null

12:57:19 [ffdarcsbot]

fenfire: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, retry with exponential backoff on disconnect

12:57:29 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, update xom

12:57:34 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, as XSLTransform(InputStream) is no longer available, use XSLTransform(Document) instead

12:57:40 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Matti Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Use optional java compiler in make.

12:57:46 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Matti Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add copyrighter in Makefile

12:57:52 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Matti Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Copyright

12:57:58 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Matti Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add new file db stuff

12:58:04 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Matti Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, copyright fix

12:58:10 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Shouldn't have more than one class/interface in a .java file -- make MultiDB the interface, MultiDB.Impl the implementation

12:58:15 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Change DB.java too

12:58:22 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, merged changes to Pair.java from org.fenfire.util

12:58:28 [ffdarcsbot]

storm: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, merge changes to URN5Namespace from org.fenfire.util

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alph: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, inherit JAVAC and JAVA from environment if defined there

12:58:47 [ffdarcsbot]

depends: unknown author, rename, because darcs doesn't allow files differing only in case for cross-platform compatibility

12:58:54 [ffdarcsbot]

depends: unknown author, add png.license too

12:59:00 [ffdarcsbot]

depends: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add RIO (RDF I/O, www.openrdf.org) jar

12:59:07 [ffdarcsbot]

depends: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, update xom

12:59:14 [ffdarcsbot]

depends: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Add Javolution (http://javolution.org)

12:59:20 [ffdarcsbot]

depends: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, update to Gnowsis 0.8.1

12:59:27 [ffdarcsbot]

depends: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, updated rio.jar to newly released 1.0.2

12:59:33 [ffdarcsbot]

navidoc: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, Fixes for website generation

12:59:38 [ffdarcsbot]

navidoc: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use python instead of jython, and assume that docutils is installed on the system rather than using docutils.jar

12:59:44 [ffdarcsbot]

navidoc: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, interface that background processes can call to report on their progress (for progress bars)

12:59:51 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add journals and teaching directories

12:59:57 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, start journal

13:00:03 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, add TIE363

13:00:09 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add notes re course

13:00:16 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, update

13:00:22 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, add add

13:00:28 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Start course homepage, think content.

13:00:34 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, validate

13:00:40 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Rearrange the site + twids

13:00:46 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Twids and changes

13:00:52 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Validate and fix spelling

13:00:58 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, aupdate journal

13:01:04 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add simple help to use .procmailrc with computer center mail system

13:01:09 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add more work to jvk

13:01:15 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Translate main page

13:01:21 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Translate manner of performance and small twids

13:01:27 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, twids

13:01:33 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Argh twid

13:01:40 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add no translation -page

13:01:46 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Fix stupid procmail help

13:01:52 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, start proposal notes -- going slow, blah

13:01:58 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add utilization plan questions. Propose to talk about activities and design.

13:02:04 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more from yesterday

13:02:10 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Propose some answers

13:02:15 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, some more notes...

13:02:21 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more brainstorming. hmm

13:02:28 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, new try

13:02:33 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Propose issues for lectures. Add some issues.

13:02:39 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more utilization plan (what's the demand)

13:02:45 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more utilization plan: potential applications

13:02:51 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, notes about missing parts of utilization plan

13:02:57 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, write out xxx in utilization plan

13:03:03 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, re-order questions to fit the prose already written

13:03:08 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, intro to utilization plan, explaining ff -- assumes that articles are attached

13:03:14 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, remove old notes

13:03:20 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, use 1 2 3 instead of a) b) c) because in HTML they're rendered as 1., 2., 3.

13:03:26 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add utilization translation of the plan

13:03:31 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add XXX comment to improve some text unclear to mudyc

13:03:37 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add short description

13:03:43 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add lecture1 directory

13:03:49 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add dates and times

13:03:55 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, remove draft

13:04:00 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add few words of identities :/

13:04:06 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add short intro to rdf.

13:04:12 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add first lecture

13:04:17 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Bug fixes

13:04:23 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add missing files

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, validate

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, validate

13:04:40 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, validate

13:04:45 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add short text of xanalogical media

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, cut long text

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Additions

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, fixes

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, add ascii chart

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, fix

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, validate

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, fixes and expections

13:05:30 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, fixed link to Getting started

13:05:35 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, translate some material

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, fixes

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, translate more

13:05:52 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Tuukka Hastrup <Tuukka.Hastrup@iki.fi>, I needed to import java to get the example running

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Apply vegai's patch to "manner of performance" -page.

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add short text for kitara application requested by pn/esa

13:06:07 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, Add more information about structure proposed by tuukkah

13:06:13 [ffdarcsbot]

project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, More stuff for todays lecture.

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project: Matti J. Katila <majukati@cc.jyu.fi>, add some text for lobs

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project: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, partial lecture notes from trip

13:06:28 [ffdarcsbot]

hippaladuida

13:08:29 [ibid]

is it absolutely necessary to spew that much each time?

13:08:32 [vegai]

active day :)

13:08:49 [ibid]

ah, no problem then

13:09:01 [ibid]

i assumed it was ffdarcsbot resending something already seen

13:09:14 [benja_]

I think it didn't, but I'm not sure

13:09:39 [benja_]

I think it only announced what was new since it had been started the last time

13:10:37 [ibid]

15:38 <ibid> majukati: i could've helped you with korppi

13:10:49 [ibid]

(save the lone lines:)

13:21:22 [antont]

did anyone see my question about the rst -> latex -> pdf toolchain, or answer?-)

13:22:58 [tuukkah]

saw it but didn't know any answer

13:26:12 [antont]

ok

13:26:47 [antont]

last time (in autumn) i got pretty ok pdfs out, and probably can just hand-edit the latex to get it done .. didn't find any new versions of the tools

13:27:12 [antont]

there was some prob with refs but at least doing it in latex will solve that

13:46:35 [tuukkah]

majukati, I can't understand how Korppi can make it too hard to change lecture time

13:46:53 [ibid]

it doesn't

13:47:09 [majukati]

tuukkah: i got a helping mail already

13:50:08 [tuukkah]

majukati, aren't there people who can help you if you have trouble, like Korppi administrators on #korppi@IRCNet or the amanuensis of the department

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14:07:27 [majukati]

am i online still?

14:07:32 [benja_]

y

14:07:33 [majukati]

i am good

14:07:37 [benja_]

=)

14:07:47 [majukati]

no

14:07:50 [majukati]

i am, good

14:07:56 [benja_]

heh

14:09:26 [ffdarcsbot]

libvob: Hanna Ollila <hamaolli@cc.jyu.fi>, add necessary imports and exceptions

14:13:26 [antont]

oh, new member?

14:15:17 [tuukkah]

student on the course :-)

14:36:48 [antont]

ok nice :)

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15:50:08 [majukati]

what's going on? i have int max in a class that i do extend and in a constructor, after super() this max is zero even if in super() it's initialized?

15:50:58 [benja_]

majukati: I don't know, but the devil can be in the details. can you put the code online quickly? (I'm leaving soon :))

15:53:06 [majukati]

http://people.cc.jyu.fi/~majukati/AWTPagePool.java

15:53:15 [majukati]

http://people.cc.jyu.fi/~majukati/LobbedPagePool.java

15:53:41 [benja_]

what's the variable?

15:53:44 [benja_]

ah, max?

15:53:57 [benja_]

majukati: you use 'int maxW = ...' in constructor

15:53:58 [majukati]

maxW and maxH

15:54:03 [benja_]

so you create a local maxW

15:54:08 [benja_]

don't change the maxW in the object

15:54:13 [majukati]

ah, argh

15:54:15 [benja_]

:)

15:55:20 [majukati]

should have noticed that but thanx

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16:04:47 [ibid]

* ibid lost the faculty elections _/

16:04:48 [ibid]

:/

16:08:03 [vegai]

electing what?

16:08:49 [ibid]

faculty council, II staff group (staff excluding professors)

16:09:39 [vegai]

oh :/

16:10:18 [ibid]

well, it was mostly expected

16:10:37 [ibid]

the election method is so bad that we had to do strategic voting

16:10:49 [ibid]

and i knew i'd be in the shared last position

16:11:03 [ibid]

but i lost the coin toss :/

16:22:41 [antont]

uh

16:23:34 [ibid]

uh?

16:25:37 [antont]

just a reaction to 19:10 < ibid> but i lost the coin toss :/

16:28:47 [ibid]

i got that

16:29:10 [ibid]

it just sounded like "hey, there's something fishy about this"

16:29:46 [antont]

ah, it was not that

16:30:14 [antont]

more like: 'how unfortunate that there has to be a coin toss, and i guess even more that you lost"

16:31:00 [antont]

am reading Interface Development for Hypermedia Applications in the Semantic Web, http://www.inf.puc-rio.br/~schwabe/papers/SSMoura_LAWEB2004_Final.pdf btw

16:31:00 [ibid]

we both got one vote :)

16:31:06 [antont]

ah :)

16:31:06 [ibid]

our own

16:31:39 [ibid]

all other votes in our semi-control were divided between the main candidates to ensure their pass

16:31:46 [antont]

.. dunno what should make of that paper, perhaps someone here finds it interesting .. i guess time to stop for today for me, will need to re-read that at some point

16:32:00 [antont]

right

16:32:10 [tuukkah]

antont, is it about user-interfaces?

16:32:18 [antont]

tuukkah: in a way

16:32:45 [antont]

tuukkah: they've made some kind of an ontology of abstract widgets

16:33:16 [antont]

stuff like VariableCapturer and MultipleChoices

16:33:56 [tuukkah]

well, benja_ has some plans for lobs in rdf

16:34:06 [antont]

and a Concrete Widget Ontology too, which maps those to implementations in xul, swing, uiml etc

16:34:45 [antont]

so perhaps there could be a mapping to Fenfire Lobs or something there too

16:35:01 [tuukkah]

yes

16:35:15 [antont]

.. when apps for which UIs have been defined using the abstract ontology, well you know :)

16:36:17 [antont]

will you mention this to him, or will he get the pointer from here?

16:36:32 [antont]

(am so tired & lazy now that am trying to avoid e-mailing it seems :)

16:44:36 [tuukkah]

let's see, I encouraged him today to set up his computer to get on the net from his place

16:45:12 [majukati]

tuukkah: don't do that - he needs to study

16:46:48 [antont]

.. am writing a post

16:47:45 [benja_]

majukati: too late :-(

16:47:48 [benja_]

[;)]

16:48:01 [antont]

oh well now i wrote the post in vain too ;(

16:48:16 [benja_]

antont: oh, I haven't read yet what you said ;)

16:48:33 [majukati]

benja_: argh, now i need to arrange a distributed dos attack for your ip

16:49:51 [antont]

huh someone did that to the department server i quess, 'cause it died just before i sent the mail

16:49:56 [antont]

benja_: so please read from above..

16:50:05 [antont]

(or study :)

16:50:41 [benja_]

mhm :)

16:54:02 [antont]

well there seems to be nothing too special there

16:54:46 [antont]

i'm off - cu

16:55:00 [benja_]

cu

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fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, start working on porting CanvasSpatialView

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17:55:55 [benja_]

http://kerneltrap.org/node/4966

17:56:18 [benja_]

my, am I glad that the open source community 'screwed up' =-)

17:56:32 [ibid]

aol

17:57:11 [benja_]

*googles* america on-line? :)

17:57:18 [ibid]

yes

17:57:36 [ibid]

used to indicate agreement

17:57:43 [benja_]

huh :)

17:58:03 [ibid]

it's a post-eternal-september thing

17:58:08 [benja_]

(I first thought it would be the opposite of AWOL, but that would be AWL :))

17:58:22 [ibid]

PWOL? :)

17:58:33 [benja_]

P?

17:58:52 [ibid]

aol subscribers tended to be not very bright in the early days, posting a lot of "me too" messages and such

17:58:56 [ibid]

present

17:58:57 [benja_]

right

17:59:25 [benja_]

"we represent as open-source friendly a commercial organization as you are *ever* going to see"

17:59:37 [ibid]

yeah right

17:59:54 [benja_]

(CEO of BitMover) -- if the open source folks agree with him on that, I'll start to believe in the thing about separate OSS and Free Software communities :)

18:02:07 [benja_]

it's interesting that the main productivity gain from using BitKeeper, according to this article, seems to have come from a missing feature :-o

18:02:17 [ibid]

heh

18:02:53 [benja_]

(they'll say it's design, but there's no fundamental reason why you couldn't have a 'let me cherry-pick parts of this patch' operation)

18:03:08 [benja_]

(similar to what darcs has on 'darcs record')

18:03:22 [ibid]

and darcs pull

18:03:42 [benja_]

ibid: darcs pull works on the level of whole patches, doesn't it?

18:03:51 [ibid]

yes

18:04:31 [ibid]

i understood the bitkeeper thing to be such that it couldn't break down patchsets

18:04:36 [ibid]

but i could be wrong

18:05:14 [benja_]

mhm

18:33:28 [benja_]

might be worth to mention and reply to Jonathan Schwartz's comment about the GPL and developing nations in the Keep It Free seminar

18:34:20 [tuukkah]

is it worth mentioning ?-/

18:34:26 [ibid]

* ibid is serving as a judge at that time

18:36:37 [benja_]

tuukkah: I think it makes our arguments more interesting / compelling if you can show how they contrast with the arguments of people who disagree

18:36:38 [tuukkah]

condemn them :-)

18:37:29 [tuukkah]

benja_, that's true

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fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, more canvasview work

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