IRC log of fenfire on 2005-04-09
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- 07:27:39 [majukati]
- it's not nice that installation stops to floating point error or segmentation fault
- 07:44:44 [rubberpaw]
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- 09:04:41 [tuukkah]
- benja_, we forgot to try an ad-hoc irc server yesterday :-)
- 09:11:21 [majukati]
- whaat?
- 09:21:51 [rubberpaw]
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- 09:32:24 [tuukkah]
- we had an ad-hoc wireless network, but we only used it for supertux
- 10:25:59 [rubberpaw]
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- 10:34:31 [tuukkah]
- antont, I read from the news that Oulu is getting a wlan network. but about price they said something like "free use will be free and you have to pay for pay-services"
- 10:44:14 [vegai]
- nice piece of art: http://www.eviltree.de/zoomquilt/zoom.htm
- 10:52:40 [majukati]
- tseh, i used classpath's MemoryImageSource - then there's nothing to see =)
- 10:54:39 [tuukkah]
- oh, was it java? I thought javascript
- 11:02:47 [tuukkah]
- would it be a good idea to add a darcs test that tries to compile before darcs push?
- 11:04:43 [tuukkah]
- oh, this time it was only my problem: I had made a comment inside a region that was commented in a patch I built. and you can't nest comments in Java :-/
- 11:13:06 [majukati]
- oh, now it seems to work
- 11:13:11 [majukati]
- bufferedimage
- 12:48:23 [tuukkah]
- majukati, so you're having luck with ImageVob?
- 12:56:55 [rubberpaw]
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- 13:19:54 [majukati]
- yep
- 13:20:13 [tuukkah]
- nice :-)
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- 14:26:12 [rubberpaw]
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- 15:06:07 [benja_]
- moi
- 15:06:24 [benja_]
- anybody here?
- 15:07:11 [majukati]
- moin!
- 15:07:19 [benja_]
- hei :)
- 15:07:57 [majukati]
- i fell stupid of trying to use wrong class for the image thing :/
- 15:08:03 [majukati]
- feel
- 15:08:05 [benja_]
- :-(
- 15:08:34 [benja_]
- I'm unhappy that I cannot do my studies faster
- 15:08:42 [benja_]
- I mean, that reading takes so long
- 15:08:53 [tuukkah]
- moin
- 15:10:18 [benja_]
- * benja_ is at agora atm
- 15:10:35 [ffdarcsbot]
- libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, add NoGrowLob to Lobs; support non-clipped Components.frame()s
- 15:10:36 [benja_]
- majukati: I tried to be less of a zombie today but you weren't at Wilhelmiina as far as I could tell ;)
- 15:10:42 [ffdarcsbot]
- libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, fix ClipLob.mouse()
- 15:10:50 [ffdarcsbot]
- libvob: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, sanity check
- 15:10:59 [majukati]
- benja_: we ate at home because of it was raining
- 15:11:21 [benja_]
- ok :)
- 15:11:43 [benja_]
- how's the appartment coming along?
- 15:12:13 [majukati]
- well, we have the internet already.. :)
- 15:12:18 [benja_]
- =)
- 15:12:25 [benja_]
- still many boxes?
- 15:12:49 [majukati]
- no
- 15:13:26 [ibid]
- good evening :)
- 15:13:42 [benja_]
- good :)
- 15:13:45 [benja_]
- ibid: hei
- 15:13:47 [ibid]
- hei
- 15:13:51 [ibid]
- good?
- 15:14:02 [ibid]
- i sense a plan to do away with my head
- 15:14:07 [ibid]
- ("pääni menoksi":)
- 15:14:39 [rubberpaw]
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- 15:14:43 [ffdarcsbot]
- fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, put a frame around the view-changing sidebar again; don't stretch the views
- 15:14:48 [ffdarcsbot]
- fenfire: Benja Fallenstein <b.fallenstein@gmx.de>, factor out view changing box into different class; fix it
- 15:14:58 [benja_]
- ibid: it's good that Matti and Heidi have unpacked their boxes
- 15:15:04 [ibid]
- heh
- 15:15:51 [majukati]
- the store is not that good since it's long but narrow. so we don't have a certain algorith for getting stuff out of there except "take all out to corridor to take one thing out"
- 15:20:51 [benja_]
- =)
- 15:23:01 [vegai]
- is it like tetris or like hanoi's tower?
- 15:25:02 [ibid]
- if the priests complete hanoi's tower, the world ends
- 15:26:00 [tuukkah]
- pushed small updates to fenfire.org. I wonder if I should remove references to kaffe, as it doesn't work anymore :-/
- 15:29:23 [benja_]
- tuukkah: why?
- 15:29:29 [benja_]
- (doesn't it)
- 15:31:35 [tuukkah]
- although I have same kind of problems with sablevm. crashes, freezes and endless loops all the time
- 15:33:37 [benja_]
- tuukkah, why doesn't kaffe work?
- 15:34:12 [tuukkah]
- now why, that's a good question...
- 15:34:20 [benja_]
- what's the symptom?
- 15:34:33 [tuukkah]
- crashes, freezes and endless loops all the time
- 15:34:47 [benja_]
- ah, "same kind of problems'
- 15:34:56 [benja_]
- are they at the same places?
- 15:35:31 [tuukkah]
- every place, I'd say
- 15:35:44 [benja_]
- huh, weird
- 15:35:49 [benja_]
- have you tried non-FF programs?
- 15:35:57 [tuukkah]
- no
- 15:56:52 [tuukkah]
- anyway, Sun's never has these problems
- 15:58:11 [benja_]
- let's say it has them less often
- 15:58:25 [benja_]
- I have seen crashes in Sun's VM that were not related to native code
- 16:05:09 [tuukkah]
- if I can see somewhere when I've upgraded kaffe packages I should
- 16:26:21 [rubberpaw]
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- 17:04:36 [majukati]
- 1024x2048 is not enough to read but 256x512 seems to be enough for buoys
- 17:07:52 [benja_]
- you mean in images?
- 17:08:02 [majukati]
- for a one a4 page
- 17:08:17 [benja_]
- shouldn't the buoys be zoomed in so that they're readable?
- 17:08:35 [benja_]
- or do you mean the buoys showing the whole article...
- 17:08:44 [majukati]
- perhaps
- 17:08:59 [benja_]
- btw, I'm very happy that you're working on FenPDF :-)
- 17:09:15 [majukati]
- why?
- 17:09:18 [benja_]
- I'd like to use it but don't want to spend much time on implementing it
- 17:09:24 [majukati]
- ah
- 17:09:53 [benja_]
- it would be nice for learning for the exam -- will not be finished in time, but perhaps in time for the next one :-)
- 17:10:22 [majukati]
- heh, yes
- 17:11:08 [benja_]
- (since my uni puts the learning materials online as pdfs)
- 17:11:33 [benja_]
- I've been working on putting back a tree of properties, like Loom had earlier
- 17:11:40 [benja_]
- but specified in RDF, this time
- 17:11:50 [benja_]
- need to debug more later, going home now
- 17:11:58 [benja_]
- (actually not now but soon :-)
- 17:12:12 [benja_]
- * benja_ is tired of sitting in Agora all day, need some fresh air
- 17:19:39 [benja_]
- going now, cu
- 17:19:47 [majukati]
- cu
- 17:22:05 [rubberpaw]
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- 18:19:59 [benja_]
- back
- 18:20:13 [benja_]
- huh, a whole hour? =-]
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- 18:37:15 [tuukkah]
- benja_, you took a long walk or what?
- 18:37:25 [benja_]
- yeah, apparently =)
- 18:37:44 [benja_]
- went home on one of my usual paths, but not the shortest one
- 18:38:00 [tuukkah]
- we went to sauna for an hour and now we're making pizza. it seems when you eat pizza you might as well eat pizza the next day too
- 18:38:09 [benja_]
- =)
- 18:38:24 [benja_]
- * benja_ is eating pasta
- 18:38:39 [ibid]
- * ibid should put the chicken parts in the oven
- 18:38:42 [tuukkah]
- pasta, pizza, pasta, pizza... :-)
- 18:38:53 [tuukkah]
- late dinners :-)
- 18:39:13 [benja_]
- :)
- 18:39:44 [tuukkah]
- benja_, we're using pasta sauce from tuesday or wednesday on the pizza ;-)
- 18:39:45 [benja_]
- but home-made pizza is different from pizza place pizza, of course
- 19:05:28 [tuukkah]
- we didn't have enough cheese left so it definitely is different :-)
- 19:05:40 [benja_]
- ouch =)
- 19:05:53 [tuukkah]
- less fat :-)
- 19:06:30 [tuukkah]
- unless sun-dried tomatos in oil are taken into account
- 19:07:25 [tuukkah]
- oops, toma-toes
- 19:07:36 [benja_]
- what's a toma?
- 19:07:48 [benja_]
- is it like coma-tose?
- 19:08:22 [tuukkah]
- I don't know, but at least it's related to tomes
- 19:08:30 [benja_]
- :)
- 19:21:53 [rubberpaw]
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- 20:29:57 [tuukkah]
- hmm, the memory requirement has grown because I can't use structureview with the default heap size anymore
- 20:30:32 [benja_]
- tuukkah: you should run the heap profiler and figure out what's taking the memory
- 20:31:02 [benja_]
- what dataset are you using?
- 20:31:33 [tuukkah]
- I was more like thinking how to change the Makefile so that even if I specify JAVA=kaffe the -mx512M part will still get included ;-)
- 20:31:56 [tuukkah]
- doap.turtle
- 20:32:01 [benja_]
- huh
- 20:32:12 [benja_]
- that shouldn't need 512M :_)
- 20:32:13 [tuukkah]
- but happens after a while with demo.turtle too
- 20:32:27 [tuukkah]
- I don't know what the default is, 64M?
- 20:33:14 [benja_]
- something like that, I think
- 20:33:58 [benja_]
- perhaps we should implement BFS soon =)
- 20:34:09 [benja_]
- (note that I haven't profiled, so that's just a guess)
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- 20:38:50 [tuukkah]
- mm, I got it running with -mx256M
- 20:39:14 [tuukkah]
- looks like maxring and maxdepth aren't honoured anymore
- 20:39:44 [benja_]
- I wouldn't know what would have broken them, if they aren't
- 20:40:12 [tuukkah]
- i'll try then
- 20:42:11 [tuukkah]
- oh, they work fine
- 20:42:14 [benja_]
- :)
- 20:42:28 [tuukkah]
- I've just made them lower before
- 22:37:57 [benja_]
- tuukkah, btw, according to wikipedia, the Greater Helsinki area "has a population of 975,000 to 1.3 million" depending on the boundaries you draw
- 22:38:57 [benja_]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suur-Helsinki
- 22:41:33 [benja_]
- the urban area has about one million inhabitants
- 22:41:38 [benja_]
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_urban_areas_of_the_European_Union
- 22:42:31 [benja_]
- it's the second fastest growing urban area of the EU (same page)
- 22:42:49 [vegai]
- auch ;/
- 22:42:50 [benja_]
- and almost tied for first place with Toulouse, France
- 22:42:58 [vegai]
- that can't be good, can it?
- 22:43:28 [benja_]
- uh, 'good' or 'bad' seem a bit too simple terms for a phenomenon like that ;)
- 22:44:13 [vegai]
- it clearly implies a trend that the other areas are diminishing
- 22:44:24 [benja_]
- vegai: I don't think so
- 22:44:30 [vegai]
- or possibly that Helsinki-dwellers are very fertile, but I don't think that is it
- 22:44:34 [benja_]
- I think that it's the small areas that lose
- 22:44:46 [benja_]
- look at the number of building projects in Jyvaskyla
- 22:45:23 [benja_]
- i.e., I think that it's country -> city, not other cities -> helsinki
- 22:45:33 [vegai]
- hmm, according to wikipedia, the number of violent crimes in JKL is higher than the average in Finland
- 22:45:52 [vegai]
- yes, of course
- 22:45:56 [vegai]
- I'm worried about the countryside
- 22:46:01 [benja_]
- ok
- 22:46:13 [benja_]
- does it lose from having less people? ;-)
- 22:46:47 [vegai]
- I fear it vanishes from having less people
- 22:46:49 [benja_]
- jyvaskyla population is "ranked 9st"
- 22:47:00 [vegai]
- but JKL isn't exactly countryside anymore
- 22:47:06 [vegai]
- (whatever the folks down south think ;)
- 22:47:06 [benja_]
- certainly not
- 22:50:30 [vegai]
- on the other hand, I don't think that the natural order of things needs to meddled with much
- 22:50:49 [vegai]
- and it seems that the natural order of things currently is that people move to the central areas
- 22:51:06 [benja_]
- mmm
- 22:51:17 [benja_]
- the more interesting phenomenon is the degree, here
- 22:51:24 [benja_]
- (here being Finland)
- 22:51:43 [vegai]
- can you elaborate?
- 22:52:18 [benja_]
- well, I think it influences the types of housing built, for example
- 22:52:33 [benja_]
- and it's really noticeable that you see new big houses being built everywhere
- 22:53:13 [benja_]
- I mean, Germany has the country -> city trend too AFAIK, like the whole world has, but you can *see* it in Finland
- 22:53:24 [vegai]
- hmm
- 22:53:35 [vegai]
- that's probably because we're always late, so we're in a hurry to catch up
- 22:54:37 [vegai]
- I happen to know that many of the large buildings recently built may end up empty
- 22:54:46 [benja_]
- hmm?
- 22:54:47 [vegai]
- or that the prices of the flats are going down sharply
- 22:55:09 [vegai]
- I just bought a new home, and the topic came up with my realtor
- 22:55:14 [benja_]
- ah
- 22:55:34 [vegai]
- so it seems they're actually building bit too fast
- 22:55:43 [benja_]
- right